Presidential Primary...

topic posted Wed, January 23, 2008 - 4:44 PM by  blahova
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Libertarian values are great, but not if represented by an idiot.

LETS USE REASON AS OUR ONLY ABSOLUTE!!!

If the rest of the candidates are going broke, it would seem to suggest that Romney, being quite accomplished, would have the best chance at improving our economy, cutting taxes & unneccessary GOV programs, excessive government spending, and bringing much needed integrity back to our country!

Mitt Romney --The Sign of the Dollar!!!

VOTE ROMNEY FOR A STRONG ECONOMY...
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blahova
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  • Jim
    Jim
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    Re: Presidential Primary...

    Thu, January 24, 2008 - 12:29 AM
    Haha, very funny. Wait... were you serious???


    Mitt Romney is an uneducated fool. He has no idea what a president is even allowed to do in office. Romney has no concept of ethics, no concept of economics, and no concept of foreign policy. Your choices for president this election are either Ron Paul, or political, economic, and ethical devastation. Now, I will admit that Romney isn't quite as psychotic as McCain or Giuliani, but that hardly makes him a good choice.
  • Re: Presidential Primary...

    Sat, January 26, 2008 - 10:49 PM
    "Individualism" is an oxymoron. "I" exists only if there is other. To be is to exist in relation to something else, or else you have nothing to compare or define "I" to. So... Everything is at least, at a very technical level, interdependent. No man is an island. And no individual can exist, or has existed, without the influence of the world.

    But yeah, that's just my mad ramblings. In truth, Ron Paul seems to be the best bet for a traditional and and thoroughly educated politician. As far as progressive politicians? Hardly will find any. If any, former candidate Kucinich and present candidate Edwards will do just fine... If we are to move forward, we have to understand others.
    • Re: Presidential Primary...

      Sun, January 27, 2008 - 6:48 AM
      >>"Individualism" is an oxymoron. "I" exists only if there is other. To be is to exist in relation to something else, or else you have nothing to >>compare or define "I" to. So... Everything is at least, at a very technical level, interdependent. No man is an island. And no individual can >>exist, or has existed, without the influence of the world.

      However, consciousness does not occur with out being able to identify yourself, your boundaries, your individualism, your "I". So at the same time and equally so we are individuals as well as an interdependent group. Interdependent is just as much of any oxymoron. A man is an island as well as a planet.

      Some people forget that you can't have one without the other. Some forget about the I or the we part of it.

      Any system has to take the individual and group into account. In imperfect systems like politics where an equilibrium cannot be met I prefer things to err on the side of the individual vs. the group.


      • Re: Presidential Primary...

        Sun, January 27, 2008 - 1:14 PM
        Si! There is I and there is other. Both/and and not either/or. Spot on. The "groups" basic subsistence can be given without threatening the sovereignty of the individual. For instance, as a philosophy in socialist nations the individuals needs are given, ie universal health care. The individual is free to be himself, to have his business, etc without any conflict. At any rate, this whole ramble is really just me saying that the future of government seems to be a balance between "I" and "We," which in political terms is socialistic.
        • Jim
          Jim
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          Re: Presidential Primary...

          Sun, January 27, 2008 - 3:32 PM
          A government is by definition a hostile entity that takes advantage, in a negative sense, of the people it governs. The very definition of "govern" is "to control". The modus operandi is theft and domination- there's no avoiding that with any political system, though some are worse than others. What's especially dangerous is when a government values groups over individuals, because that's the first step toward dehumanizing the individual and justifying theft, murder, genocide, or any other act in extreme violation of an individual's rights. As societies move further and further from pure capitalism toward pure communism, there is a gradual decline in respect for an individual's life. One need only look at the history of genocide in communist countries to verify that. Socialism is merely a step on the road to total abandonment of individual rights.
          • Re: Presidential Primary...

            Sun, January 27, 2008 - 7:00 PM
            I dunno about this. I'd like to check polls, statistics, and varying opinions before arguing your point. But, I do have to say that it seems ideology is what dehumanizes us, and it can be taken to unhealthy levels at either end of the spectrum. For instance, extreme capitalism can be just as dehumanizing. Reading Marx, for instance, details the flaws of a system that is too capitalistic. What I think we need to distinguish in these discussions is the difference between ideological movements of the past (Medieval, ethnocentric "group think") with progressive worldcentric modes of thought - that extends from an actual appreciation of the individual and a greater understanding of the collective. This is not like the previous movements in which ideology replaced human beings . . .

            A look at other nations in the world, particularly balanced social/capitalistic ones, provide models for this - even if they are flawed. We have to look at the quality of life in these nations (Norway, for instance) vs. the quality of life in, say, the U.S. The US does not rank very high here - I invite you to research this too, please, for verification.
            • Jim
              Jim
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              Re: Presidential Primary...

              Mon, January 28, 2008 - 4:17 AM
              Pure capitalism (read: not what we have today) is quite innocuous. The danger with capitalism comes when it mingles with government. If a corporation can influence the government to pass laws that benefit that corporation at the expense of another entity, it can become extremely harmful, and allow that corporation to grow far more powerful than would otherwise be possible. The United States is a prime example of the dangers of capitalism mixing with government. It's not unlike the dangers of religion mixing with government- when a single religion controls a government, it inevitably leads to intolerance and in the end- violence and paranoia toward those who don't comply. A pure capitalistic system (no laws governing business whatsoever) is the only ideology that allows other ideologies to coexist with it peacefully. If you have communism or socialism, your belongings are forcibly taken from you and given to others who did not earn them, or wasted through government. In a pure capitalist system, your belongings are your own, to do with as you wish- and you can choose to form a socialist or communist sub-group voluntarily if that suits your interest. That's the only way ethics can be preserved in society.
  • Re: Presidential Primary...

    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 2:09 PM
    I think Ron Paul is the only candidate who can save our country from an economic crisis / collapse. Otherwise, I don't think our country can make it through another election cycle.
    Ron Paul would bring our troops home, eliminate the income tax, and bring our country back to a gold standard. Do you realize that even if the income tax was eliminated, our government would still get as much revenue as in 1992. And government was plenty big then.
    • Re: Presidential Primary...

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 5:07 PM
      > Ron Paul would bring our troops home,
      > eliminate the income tax, and bring our
      > country back to a gold standard.

      Or rather, would perhaps bring our troops home, make some noise about income tax that would be ignored by congress, and would be laughed at about a gold standard.

      > I think Ron Paul is the only candidate who
      > can save our country from an economic
      > crisis / collapse. Otherwise, I don't think
      > our country can make it through another
      > election cycle.

      Rome didn't fall in a day. And anyway, look at the bright side: it may be that ideologically, the United States of America is dead and gone, but it left a huge carcass and will take a long time to rot all the way through. Long enough for you and me to live out our lives in relative peace, most likely.

      Vote Hillary -- because a vote for Hillary is a vote for gridlock. And gridlock is the best we can hope for this century.