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The Fountainhead was a mess, but the follow-up, Atlas Shrugged, is a two-hundred-car freeway pileup. It is quite possibly the single worst successful novel ever written, a work of Edward D. Wood-ian awfulness that doesn't have the saving grace of being good-naturedly funny. Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Fascism is also about the worship of force as the prime motive of life, rather than reason or cooperation. Hitler renamed it "will," but force it remained. Rand claimed to abhor violence, yet advocated that the state (the state she also abhorred for having the nerve to collect taxes!) be the final repository for force. This little internal contradiction never bothered her, apparently. Presumably she was talking about a rational, Objectivist state, nothing like the ones we have now -- although we're left without a word as to how such a state could be formed or maintained. I guess she never figured it was her problem to tell us how to do that.
Internal contradictions were the stock-in-trade with Objectivism. It was impossible to avoid them, since the whole thing was not about creating a sustainable way of life or even a philosophy to defend free trade and free thought. Objectivism consists of selfishness for dubious present gains, rather than altruism for a more sustainable future gains for both yourself and others. In game theory, such a strategy would be discarded, since it would leave everyone dead fairly quickly.
www.thegline.com/thought/2...1-2001.htm
Fascism is also about the worship of force as the prime motive of life, rather than reason or cooperation. Hitler renamed it "will," but force it remained. Rand claimed to abhor violence, yet advocated that the state (the state she also abhorred for having the nerve to collect taxes!) be the final repository for force. This little internal contradiction never bothered her, apparently. Presumably she was talking about a rational, Objectivist state, nothing like the ones we have now -- although we're left without a word as to how such a state could be formed or maintained. I guess she never figured it was her problem to tell us how to do that.
Internal contradictions were the stock-in-trade with Objectivism. It was impossible to avoid them, since the whole thing was not about creating a sustainable way of life or even a philosophy to defend free trade and free thought. Objectivism consists of selfishness for dubious present gains, rather than altruism for a more sustainable future gains for both yourself and others. In game theory, such a strategy would be discarded, since it would leave everyone dead fairly quickly.
www.thegline.com/thought/2...1-2001.htm
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 10:07 PMyou havent spent too much time reasoning through this one have you?
some hints:
use some of your buddhist non-dual shit and see past the black and white you keep imposing on the term.
Subjectivism is a very good one.. I like it, and I think it is in alignment with many of rands principles as well as the principles of fundemental nature, ecology, etc.
If anything, Rand's 'Atlas' irradicates the fundemental operating principles of fascism.
Altruism, as proved by Rand and current affairs.. is the downfall of political, economic and ecological stability: true and full subjective selfishness is the source of intellectual, cultural, economical, and biological diversity.
and for fun:
Do the ideals of the book and the characters threaten you? do you feel less than in relation to them? Do you fear the game of responsibility and free will? Do you enjoy the resignation to an 'otherness' new to coddle you as you walk around whining to others about the needs of the 'greater good'? -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 11:21 PM"use some of your buddhist non-dual shit "
I don't know what you're talking about, I am a muslim.
"Altruism, as proved by Rand and current affairs.."
Well, where's your proof?
"Do the ideals of the book and the characters threaten you? blah blah blah"
No, they are one dimensional singletons.
"as you walk around whining to others about the needs of the 'greater good'? "
Get off LSD. -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Wed, January 24, 2007 - 7:54 AM>>>I don't know what you're talking about, I am a muslim. <<<
Did you choose that?
>>>Well, where's your proof? <<<
Where's your proof that I dont have any proof?
>>>No, they are one dimensional singletons. <<<
Where's your proof?
>>>Get off LSD.<<<
Proof that you favor fascism. -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Thu, January 25, 2007 - 3:08 AMUgh. -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Thu, January 25, 2007 - 8:22 AM>>>Ugh.<<<
'proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone, everyone." - Paul Simon -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Fri, January 26, 2007 - 2:01 AMUgh.
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Fri, January 26, 2007 - 7:32 AMAs you see Bo has reached the limits of his mental capacity and has nothing to express. Certainly you understand nothing can be gained by any interaction with this beast. His main purpose is to find some way he can irritate you. Why this pleases him is difficult to understand. The best policy is to ignore him; then he will retire to his hole for awhile. Alas, he seems to return periodically, but ignoring him is still the best option. -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Fri, January 26, 2007 - 10:12 AM>>Why this pleases him is difficult to understand.<<
not really, he's got something internally to prove to himself, but nothing notable externally with which to prove it. -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 4:55 PMUp until now none of the serious flaws of Ayn Rand subjectivism are addressed, you can only resort to the basest ad hominen.
Poor poor little minds huddle together against the onslaught of reality.... -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 5:59 PMwhat were the flaws again? I mean other than the fact that you werent satisfied with the characters' 'depth'? -
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Re: Let's Just Call It Subjectivism: Loathing of humanity drips from every page.
Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:34 AMI love you, bo.
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